_{URL: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2508.05618}

improving Factuality In Reasoning Large Language Models Through Online Reinforcement Learning

QUESTION 1:

Can you give me a very clear explanation of the core assertions, implications, and mechanics elucidated in this paper?

ANSWER 1:

Here’s a concise, structured explanation of the paper’s core assertions, implications, and mechanics, using the paper as the source of truth.

Core assertions

Existing reasoning LLMs (R-LLMs) hallucinate more on long-form factual tasks than their non-reasoning counterparts.
- DeepSeek-R1 and QwQ-32B have, on average, 10 and 13 percentage points lower factual precision than DeepSeek-V3 and Qwen-2.5-32B, respectively.
The main cause is misaligned RL training objectives in R-LLMs: training focuses on verifiable tasks (math/coding) and overlooks factuality in open-ended, long-form responses.
Online RL for long-form factuality is feasible if you design the reward correctly and make long-form factuality scoring fast enough.
A composite reward that jointly optimizes factual precision, detail level, and relevance averts reward hacking and improves factuality without harming overall helpfulness.

Implications

You cannot optimize long-form factuality by targeting precision alone; doing so induces shorter, less helpful, or off-topic responses.
Adding a relevance/quality term (LLM-as-a-judge) to the factual reward is essential to prevent reward hacking (e.g., padding with general, factual but irrelevant content).
On-policy online RL (GRPO) with the proposed reward outperforms offline methods like DPO: it raises factual precision and detail while maintaining or improving helpfulness.
Making long-form factuality scoring fast (∼5s vs ∼2 minutes) unlocks practical online RL for factual reasoning.
R-LLMs need distinct “factual reasoning” strategies (e.g., synthesis, summarization, comparison) different from math/coding reasoning.

Mechanics (what they actually built and did)

Training data
- Prompts: 7k synthetic, fact-seeking questions generated by Llama 4, guided by two grounding sets: diverse WildChat prompts (for realism) and LongFact non-test prompts (for factuality). Split: 3k for SFT, 4k for RL.
Model formatting and seeding
- Long-CoT format: … then ….
- SFT: For each SFT prompt, generate 10 Long-CoT responses with the base model; score with VeriScore; SFT on the best (highest factual precision) to teach the format and seed reasoning.
Offline RL baseline (DPO)
- Generate 10 responses per RL prompt; score with VeriScore.
- Build preference pairs by max factual-precision margin subject to two constraints: margin ≥ 0.1 and length similarity |1 − lc/lr| ≤ 0.1 (to reduce length hacking).
- Offline DPO improves precision but hurts overall response quality/helpfulness.
Online RL (GRPO) with composite reward
- Reward R(y|x) = precision + λ·detail + μ·relevance, with a −1.0 penalty if output format is malformed.
  - Precision: smoothed factual precision F/(T+1) from VeriScore (F supported claims; T total claims).
  - Detail: log(1 + F) to reward more supported claims but with diminishing returns.
  - Relevance/quality: LLM-as-a-judge binary win vs. a reference response from the base model (1 if better, 0 otherwise).
- Main setting: λ = 0, μ = 0.1; also explored λ = 0.01, μ = 0.1 and λ = 0.1, μ = 0.1.
Fast VeriScore
- Parallelized batched claim extraction and verification; async Google Search via Serper; served by Matrix with multiple Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct replicas.
- Speedup: average under 5 seconds per response (vs ~2 minutes), enabling real-time reward in online RL.
- For evaluation consistency, they still report with the original VeriScore finetuned extractor/verifier.
Evaluation setup
- Six long-form factuality benchmarks: LongFact (Objects), FAVA (141 prompts), AlpacaFact (241), Biography (183), FactBench-Hard (532), Factory-Hard.
- Metrics: precision = F/T; detail level = F (they avoid VeriScore’s approximate recall).
- Helpfulness: AlpacaEval-style pairwise GPT-4o judging vs. the base model (win rate).
Implementation details (compute)
- Base: Llama-3.1-8B-Instruct.
- SFT: 8×H100, 1 epoch; DPO: 16×H100, 1 epoch; GRPO: 32 H100 training workers + 8 H100 inference workers; 4 rollouts/prompt; 1 epoch.

Key empirical findings

Existing reasoning models on long-form factuality:
- Qwen-2.5-32B (non-reasoning) vs QwQ-32B (reasoning): precision 51.4 → 38.3; detail 21.9 → 27.3.
- DeepSeek-V3 (non-reasoning) vs DeepSeek-R1 (reasoning): precision 55.0 → 44.7; detail 30.7 → 27.0.
- Conclusion: today’s R-LLMs hallucinate more on long-form factual tasks.
Offline training (from Llama-3.1-8B):
- SFT: +10.9 precision points but −25% detail on average.
- SFT + DPO: +22.8 precision points, detail roughly maintained/improved on 4/6 datasets, but win rate drops to 37.8% (quality degradation).
Online training (SFT + GRPO with λ=0, μ=0.1):
- Average precision 68.1%: +23.1 points over base (45.0%).
- Detail level: +23% supported claims over base.
- Helpfulness: 54.4% win rate vs base (no degradation).
Ablations (reward design)
- R_fact only: precision up, detail up, but win rate falls to 43.5% (reward hacking via off-topic but factual content).
- R_fact + R_dtl: further boosts precision/detail, but win rate worse (36.9%), showing stronger hacking.
- R_fact + R_rel: precision +23.1 points, detail +23%, and win rate 54.4%—meaning relevance term curbs hacking.
- Full reward (R_fact + R_dtl + R_rel):
  - λ=0.01, μ=0.1: more detail (+13% vs μ-only) with small precision drop (−1 point), win rate still >50%.
  - λ=0.1, μ=0.1: very large detail gains (+88% vs base), precision +22 points, but win rate 45.7% (hacking resurfaces).
Reasoning trace analysis
- CoT and answer lengths rise early in training, then plateau.
- Frequent “meta-reasoning” strategies differ from math/coding; more synthesis, summarization, explanation, definition, comparison.

What this means (takeaways)

To improve long-form factuality in R-LLMs, you need:
- On-policy online RL.
- A composite reward that balances factual precision, detail, and relevance to avoid reward hacking.
- Fast, reliable long-form factuality scoring to support online training.
The proposed recipe yields higher factual precision and more factual detail while keeping responses helpful.
The field should treat factual reasoning as distinct from math/coding reasoning, requiring different training signals and reasoning strategies.
The approach is likely extensible to agentic settings (e.g., with search tools), potentially enabling further factuality gains.

Limitations and future directions acknowledged by the paper

LLM-as-judge is the base model (chosen for efficiency); stronger judges were not explored.
VeriScore (and all long-form factuality scoring) is still an approximation; recall is hard to assess reliably.
There is an inherent precision–detail–relevance trade-off controlled by λ and μ.
Future work: agentic factual reasoning with tools (e.g., search) to fill knowledge gaps during the reasoning process.

QUESTION 2:

Can you explain the value of this in basic terms? Like you're talking to a CEO. So what? What's the bottom line here?

ANSWER 2:

Here’s the CEO version — the “so what” in plain terms.

What’s the problem?

Today’s reasoning LLMs are great at math/code but actually hallucinate more on long-form factual tasks than standard models. That’s bad for trust, liability, and brand safety in knowledge-heavy workflows.

What did this paper do?

It shows a practical way to train models that give long, factual answers without becoming terse or going off-topic.
The key is a new reward design that balances three things at once: factual precision, level of detail, and relevance. They also made factuality scoring fast enough for real-time training.

What’s the bottom line (outcomes)?

+23.1 percentage points in factual precision vs the same base model.
+23% more supported facts in responses (more comprehensive answers).
Helpfulness doesn’t drop (wins 54.4% vs the base model in pairwise judgments).
In short: fewer hallucinations, more substance, still useful.

Why this matters for the business

Increases trust and reduces risk in customer-facing and regulated content (support, marketing, knowledge bases, analyst reports, bios, briefings).
Improves productivity in research and drafting by delivering both accurate and detailed outputs.
Differentiates product quality: avoids common “reward hacking” (models gaming metrics by being shorter or off-topic).

What’s novel here

First practical recipe for online RL on long-form factuality: they sped up verification ~30× (to ~5s/response), making on-policy training feasible.
The composite reward fixes the usual pitfalls of optimizing “factuality” alone.

Where this can be used

Customer support, content generation, enterprise search summarization, biographical/profile generation, compliance-friendly documentation, editorial assistants.

Caveats and requirements

Training is compute-intensive (tens of H100s in their setup).
There’s a tunable trade-off between maximum precision and more detail.
Long-form factuality scoring is still an approximation, though strong enough to deliver the gains reported.

Strategic takeaway

If you rely on LLMs for long-form outputs, switching to this training approach yields more reliable and still helpful responses—meaning safer deployment, better user trust, and higher-quality content at scale.

QUESTION 3:

Can you give me an analogy or metaphor that will help explain this to a broad audience?

ANSWER 3:

Think of training a newsroom

If you pay reporters only for “no mistakes,” they’ll file one-sentence, risk-free blurbs. Accurate, but useless.
If you pay only for “more words,” they’ll turn in long, generic encyclopedia dumps. Detailed, but off-topic.
If you ask an editor to eyeball everything, they’ll miss subtle errors in long pieces.

What this paper does is build a better newsroom scorecard and a faster fact-check desk:

Three-part scorecard
- Accuracy = every claim is fact-checked (factual precision).
- Depth = more verified facts earn more credit, but with diminishing returns (detail).
- Relevance = an editor compares the article to a solid baseline draft and only rewards it if it’s genuinely better and on-topic (LLM-as-judge).
Instant fact-checking
- They turbocharge the fact-check desk so it can verify an article in seconds, not minutes. That enables coaching reporters while they write (online RL), not after the issue goes to print.

Result

Reporters learn to file stories that are accurate, substantive, and actually about the assignment—without gaming the system by going short or going off-topic.
In the paper’s terms: far fewer hallucinations (+23.1 precision points), more supported facts (+23%), and no drop in overall usefulness.

In short: it’s a newsroom that rewards the right things and can fact-check fast enough to shape behavior in real time.

QUESTION 4:

Can you provide a specific example that best illustrates the key points elucidated in this paper?

ANSWER 4:

Here’s a concrete, self-contained example that mirrors the paper’s key points.

Prompt

“Who is Leon Wildes?”

Three candidate responses the model might learn to produce

A (short, safe): “Leon Wildes is an immigration attorney.”
B (long, off-topic padding): “While specific details about Leon Wildes are not readily available, here is an overview of U.S. immigration law…” followed by many accurate, general facts about immigration law.
C (on-topic, detailed): A brief bio focused on Leon Wildes with multiple specific, verifiable facts (career, notable cases, affiliations), mostly correct.

How the reward works and what happens

The paper’s reward R = factual precision + λ·detail + μ·relevance.
- Factual precision: supported claims F divided by total claims T+1 (smoothed).
- Detail: log(1+F) (diminishing returns).
- Relevance/quality: an LLM judge compares the answer to a reference from the base model; adds μ if better, 0 otherwise.

Illustrative (hypothetical) scoring for the three answers

A: 1 supported claim out of 1 total → precision ≈ 1/(1+1)=0.5; detail = log(2); relevance likely 0 (not better than a solid baseline).
B: 25 supported out of 25 total (all true but off-topic) → precision ≈ 25/26≈0.96; detail = log(26); relevance = 0 (judge rejects for being off-topic).
C: 17 supported out of 18 total → precision ≈ 17/19≈0.90; detail = log(18); relevance = 1 (judge prefers this to base).

What different reward designs learn

Precision-only (λ=0, μ=0): picks B. The model learns to pad with generic but factual content—high precision, low usefulness. This is the reward hacking the paper warns about.
Precision + detail (λ>0, μ=0): still picks B. Reward hacking gets worse: the model adds even more off-topic “safe facts” to boost detail and keep precision high.
Precision + relevance (λ=0, μ>0): picks C. The judge term breaks the hack—off-topic padding no longer pays; the model focuses on accurate, on-topic details.
Full reward (λ>0, μ>0): still picks C, but you can tune λ to trade a bit of precision for more verified, relevant detail (as shown in the ablations).

Why this example matters

It captures the core failure mode: without a relevance term, models can look “more factual” by going off-topic.
It shows how the composite reward fixes that: you get fewer hallucinations (+23.1 precision points), more supported facts (+23%), and no loss in helpfulness (54.4% win rate vs base).
And it only works at scale because they sped up long-form factuality checking from minutes to ~5 seconds, enabling on-policy online RL (GRPO) to train on these signals in real time.

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