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Estimating the cost to build a diamondoid replicator

Cost Estimates

Author: Philip Turner

Date Started: 3/3/2025

Date Completed: 3/6/2025

Abstract: Estimating the cost to build a diamondoid replicator

Table of Contents:

Background

The Drake equation calculates the theoretical number of alien civilizations in the Milky Way. It takes several factors, which are either known or have a range of uncertainty. Then, it multiplies them together to get an estimate. This approach removes the subjectiveness of estimates, letting the numbers speak for themselves. The answer comes from first principles.

Parameter Original Estimate Current Estimate
R_* 1 yr-1 1.5–3 yr-1
f_p 0.2–0.5 1
n_e 1–5 0.2
f_1 1 0.00005–0.13
f_i 1 10-9–1
f_c 0.1–0.2 0.2
L 103–108 yr 304–109 yr
N = R_* · f_p · n_e · f_1 · f_i · f_c · L

N = 20             [original lower bound]
N = 5 * 10^7       [original upper bound]
N = 9.1 * 10^{-13} [current lower bound]
N = 1.6 * 10^7     [current upper bound]

This equation inspired the following investigation.

Overview

I will estimate the cost to bootstrap molecular nanotechnology, as described in Nanosystems (1992). While the book describes a pathway with multiple steps (incremental path), I jump directly to the end goal. Scanning probe technology is the only proven technique for building atoms. There is no certainty that protein structures can even be controlled with 10-pm granularity yet 100-nm range. Only lithium niobate (macroscale) and diamondoid machines (nanoscale) can build atoms, based on the known design space.

Objective: Use lithium niobate 3DOF actuators to build semiconductor crystals (diamond, SiC, silicon) that can themselves build the same material. Understanding the cost of such an endeavor will guide experimental efforts to actually do it. The cost metrics will be specific and quantitative. For example, the minimum atom count for a replicating machine must be known.

Approach: Develop formulas for the four metrics listed below. After defining the correct relationships between parameters, list known parameter values (cite the source for each). State the range of uncertainty in each parameter. Multiply the smallest or largest value of each parameter. The product is the lower or upper bound of the answer.

  • Time delay to achieve a functioning replicator
    • Maximum acceptable upper bound: 5 years
  • Spatial volume required for the laboratory
    • Maximum acceptable upper bound: one cubic kilometer
  • Financial cost (upfront)
    • Maximum acceptable upper bound: 100% of US GDP
  • Financial cost (ongoing)
    • Maximum acceptable upper bound: 30% of US GDP
    • Maximum acceptable upper bound: 90% of US annual helium production

The above limits will be assumed without justification. They serve as guiderails to permit the next step of this project, and can be refined in the future. The actual cost will ideally be much smaller.

The scope of this analysis does not include reaction success rates. We will assume that errors can be corrected, minimized by switching to cryogenic temperatures, or imperfect products are tolerable. Too little is known to connect proven SPM failure rates (10-1) to theoretical estimates (10-15). Such numbers would be more well understood with experimental validation that diamond can be built. This document resolves a key problem standing in the way of setting up such an experiment. Namely, that we have no rigorous assessment of how long/how much upfront investment it will take to return a profit.

Hypothesis: Commercial SPMs, overpriced and bottlenecked by piezoelectric creep, make bootstrapping economically unfeasible. Custom hardware based on lithium niobate makes bootstrapping at least 103 times more likely. In addition (not part of this analysis), lithium niobate will improve the success rates, because it makes nanopositioning more accurate. Specifically, nanopositioning becomes linear time-invariant for the first time in history.

Terminology

atom builder
| (≥100 nm)^3 build volume
| 14 bits of true accuracy
| 100 nm / 2^14 = 10 pm granularity
|
+ ---> scanning probe microscope (SPM)
|      reliable, repeatable 3DOF nanopositioning
|
+ ---> diamondoid replicator 
       reliable ≥3DOF nanopositioner fitting inside (≤1 µm)^3

Assumption: Linear (analog) signals cannot be handled by nanoscale electrical interconnects. Only digital (1-bit) serial signals. Data must be transmitted from macroscale DSPs through digital electrical signals. At the replicator's I/O interface, data converts from electrical to mechanical. It is decoded into 14-bit parallel words with compact rod logic.

A replicator must satisfy the following constraints:

  • Form closure
  • Encapsulation of three 14-bit resolution linear actuators
  • At least 3 degrees of freedom
  • Vacuum seal (if operating under UHV conditions, 10-9 torr)
    • Must be atomically precise, to have a defined, tightly sealed valve for transferring feedstocks in and out
  • Ability to detect errors (if 10-5 error rate)
    • Requires rod logic computing
    • Requires a transimpedance amplifier or alternative to the qPlus sensor, with orders of magnitude smaller dimensions

It does not need to satisfy:

  • Encapsulation of digital signal processing (DSP) hardware
  • Vacuum seal (if operating under XHV conditions, 10-13 torr and no leakage when transferring between vacuum chambers)
  • Ability to detect errors (if 10-15 error rate)

List of replicators and ≥3DOF actuators:

Atom Count Description Source
23 Conventional mode mechanosynthesis tip, only has form closure 1
21,318 3-DOF flexure, but lacks the 14-bit stepper motors 2
4,000,000 6-DOF robot arm with 86 nm range, unspecified resolution Nanosystems, Ch. 13
203,908,873 12-DOF pair of Stewart platforms, full vacuum enclosure KSRM

A replicator's operation frequency is expected to be in the MHz regime. It is an open question whether a nanoscale atom builder needs to utilize convergent assembly to bypass throughput bottlenecks. If so, it wouldn't be a monolithic replicator, but more like a factory. At the macroscale, convergent assembly is definitely needed. Operation frequencies are kHz or less.

List of scanning probe microscopes:

Operation Speed Description Source
0.016 Hz Piezo creep settling time (60 seconds) 1
1 Hz qPlus AFM frequency shift, hyper-resolution images of organic molecules, 4 K 2
98 Hz qPlus AFM frequency shift, fuzzy images, NiO(001), 300 K 2
190 Hz qPlus AFM frequency shift, very fuzzy images, KBr, 300 K 2
1635 Hz Lowest eigenmode of UHV-STM 3
5400 Hz Lowest eigenmode of Air-STM/EC-STM 4

Time Delay

The greatest unknowns reside in component 2:

  • Not accurately estimating the number of design iterations needed. If one can only make one shot at a replicator, and it takes multiple decades to build, one will surely fail. Nothing works the first time. The reason it previously seemed impossible: we previously could not fathom having enough breathing room to attempt multiple times.
  • Not accurately estimating the parallelism required. For example, bulk chemistry (DNA origami) has been proposed because it can make 1012 atom builders in parallel. However, it is questionable whether DNA origami can even achieve linear time invariance with 14 bits of resolution. A similar argument holds for MEMS scanning probes.
    • Regarding parallelism, each probe must be independent. If one probe undergoes a failed reaction, all the other probes cannot be stopped simultaneously. Each probe must be able to adapt to its failed reaction, independently of the others. This is an issue with ideas for MEMS scanning probes with SIMD architectures (64 control signals controlling 1024 probes on a chip).
    • Another issue with fully integrated MEMS SPMs, would be the flexibility of swapping samples and tips. Furthermore, it is questionable whether the coarse approach mechanism could be entirely integrated into MEMS. If not, there is no benefit to using MEMS. The dominant contributor to resonance frequency comes from the compliance of the coarse approach mechanism. MEMS is supposed to be an optimization that improves the true resonance frequency.

Non-multiplicative relationships between variables:

  • We don't know whether parts from failed design iterations can be recycled in subsequent ones. If so, the relationship between atoms/replicator and (design iterations)/(successful replicator) is non-multiplicative. To stay conservative, we will not elaborate on this possibility.
  • If the number of scanning probes is too large, we may suffer from Amdahl's law. A replicating system consists of multiple parts, which will be mated through nonbonded (e.g. vdW, magnetic) interactions. If a single SPM cannot produce a single part in the required amount of time, there is a serial bottleneck. This is mostly a concern if piezoelectric creep cannot be solved.
component 1: work to build one replicator, in (scanning probe)-hours
  feedback loop latency * operations/reaction * reactions/atom * atoms/replicator

component 2: time to build a functioning replicator
  component 1 * (design iterations)/(successful replicator)
  * 1 / (#scanning probes working in parallel)

Space

This metric serves to plan how much 2D area to allocate, before building a semiconductor fab. Modern semiconductor fabs have multiple machines working in parallel. They facilitate different steps of the wafer production process, such as cleaning and depositing interconnects. It is an optimized, pipelined workflow, just like a modern out-of-order CPU core. Regarding the extreme ultraviolet lithography (EUV) step, a brief internet search suggests 10 EUV machines per fab.

For nanotechnology, there are multiple steps:

  • Sample preparation
    • Potentially molecular beam epitaxy
    • Potentially electrochemical preparation of silver surfaces
    • Potentially XPS analysis to verify correct preparation
  • Tip preparation
    • Using an e-beam or argon ion beam to remove the oxide layer from a silicon probe
    • Using the coarse Z approach actuator to approach the probe to the surface with tripods
  • Inverted mode mechanosynthesis
    • Using the coarse XY actuator to switch to a different tripod located on the surface (they must be very sparse, separated by a distance much larger than the silicon probe's radius)
    • Using STM feedback (large tunneling current from the silver surface with alcohol linkers, hopefully) to align with the Si lattice unit cell on the silicon probe
    • Identify the pre-planned location for atom deposition, with unspecified, efficient computer vision techniques
    • Using a pair of orthogonal, 1D scanlines to quickly verify reaction success. The computer vision algorithm does not need 2D images like in typical scanning probe microscopy. It is necessary to reduce the cost of imaging from $n^2$ to $2n$, where $n$ is the feature width divided by the pixel width.

The hardware for each of the three steps may require separate vacuum chambers. In addition, there may be "highways" to transport manufactured parts between chambers. The highways would begin at a vacuum chamber with a scanning probe, and end at a central chamber for manipulation with a coarse scanning electron microscope (SEM). The central chamber would assemble the incoming line of parts into a functioning system. This is convergent assembly, except done in a macroscale factory instead of a nanoscale factory.

Non-multiplicative relationships between variables:

  • The highways connecting vacuum chambers to each other. We will omit them from the calculation, for brevity. Interconnects in high-performance computing are often a performance bottleneck. In my experience with rod logic, gates had to be laid out in a spatial arrangement that favors data transmission. This constraint may have exploded the volume by 3x.
  • Model the XPS and MBE systems (if used at all) as existing in discrete vacuum chambers. The equation does not explicitly model the optimization that fuses them both into the same chamber.
  • Space occupied by gas liquefaction systems (if used at all) is considered negligible.
component 1: 2D footprint of a vacuum chamber
  (chamber dimension + spacing between chambers)^2

component 2: number of SPM chambers
  (#scanning probes working in parallel) / (scanning probes/SPM chamber)
  
component 3: number of overall vacuum chambers
  number of SPM chambers * 
  (1 + XPS systems/SPM chamber + MBE systems/SPM chamber)

component 4: amount of 2D area to allocate
  component 1 * component 3 / (number of building storeys)

Financial Cost (Upfront)

Vacuum chambers operating at 4 K cannot have windows/viewports. Unsure whether vacuum chambers operating at 77 K can. To be conservative, assume viewports are only allowed when the temperature is 300 K. However, to reduce the number of non-multiplicative relationships, include the cost of viewports in all estimates. Even if cryogenic temperatures are required.

The cost of occupying land (upfront and ongoing) is not included in estimates, to simplify them.

component 1: cost per vacuum chamber
cost of roughing pump +
cost of turbo pump +
cost of ion pump +
cost of vacuum chamber walls +
(cost of CF flange) * (flange count) +
(cost of viewport) * (viewpport count)

component 2: cost per SPM chamber
component 1 +
component 1 * (XPS systems/SPM chamber) +
component 1 * (MBE systems/SPM chamber) +
(cost of piezo driver) * (scanning probes/SPM chamber) +
(cost of piezos) * (scanning probes/SPM chamber) +
(cost of gas liquefaction system) * (liquefaction systems/SPM chamber)

component 3: total cost
cost per SPM chamber * number of SPM chambers

component 4: barrier to entry, for a single mechanosynthesis experiment at 300 K
compoment 1 +
component 1 * (using XPS ? 1 : 0) +
component 1 * (using MBE ? 1 : 0) +
cost of piezo driver +
cost of piezos +
cost to synthesize tripods

Financial Cost (Ongoing)

Assumption: Machines operate at 100% duty cycle, with minimal human intervention. The chemistry must support automation of lattice construction. For example, either silicon carbide or carbon nanotubes.

Liquid neon is more expensive than liquid helium, per liter. LNe would only be used if we're already employing an on-site gas liquefaction system. Neon might reduce the power consumption or leak rate, thus reducing the cost of the liquefaction system.

If LHe is not recycled, implicitly assume that each SPM chamber has a dedicated cryostat. There is no parameter for a ratio of continuous flow cryostats or bath cryostats to SPM chambers. Note that this situation differs from the case for liquefaction systems, where the ratio could plausibly be reduced.

Amount of helium produced in the US:

  • 79 million cubic meters sold/year (1)
  • 1.86 billion cubic meters left in stockpile (1)
  • 8.49 billion cubic meters in known geologic natural gas reservoirs (1)
component 1: cost of cryocoolant, per (SPM chamber)-hour
ambient       | 300 K | 0
LN2           |  80 K | (cryostat liters/hour) * (cost of LN2/liter)
LNe, recycled |  30 K | 0
LH2           |  25 K | (cryostat liters/hour) * (cost to purify LH2/liter)
LHe           |  10 K | (cryostat liters/hour) * (cost of LHe/liter)
LHe, recycled |   5 K | 0

component 2: power consumption, per SPM chamber
power of roughing pump +
power of turbo pump +
power of ion pump +
(power of piezo driver) * (scanning probes/SPM chamber) +
(power of gas liquefaction system) * (liquefaction systems/SPM chamber)

component 3: cost of power, per (SPM chamber)-hour
(power per SPM chamber) * (1 kW / 1000 W) *
(cost of power in Virginia, per kWh)

component 4: total hardware cost, per year
[cost of cryocoolant + cost of power], per (SPM chamber)-hour
* (number of SPM chambers) * (hours/year)

component 5: total person hours cost, per year
(number of employees) * (wage in dollars/hour) * (length of shift / 24 hours)
* (workdays/week) * (hours/year)

component 6: helium consumed, per year
(cryostat liters/hour) * (hours/year) * (number of SPM chambers)
* (liquid helium kg/liter) * (gaseous helium m^3/kg)

Parameters

Atoms per replicator:

  • [Lower bound] 4 million, 6-DOF actuator with no vacuum enclosure
  • [Upper bound] 204 million, 12-DOF actuator with vacuum enclosure

Feedback loop latency:

  • [Lower bound] 0.6 milliseconds, STM on conducting surfaces
    • Images get blurry when scanline rate exceeds 1–2 kHz, even though piezo XY motion shouldn't couple to coarse approach mechanism's Z eigenmode)
  • [Upper bound] 10 milliseconds, qPlus AFM with "good enough" resolution on insulating surfaces (98 Hz)
    • qPlus frequency shift is not equal to sensor bandwidth, according to theory
    • Actual imaging times (1 hour for hyper-resolution, 1 Hz/pixel) suggest it's at least proportional
  • Not relying on SPM designs that necessitate 4 K (e.g. hyper-resolution qPlus AFM). Note that one objective of this document, is to understand what would happen if piezo creep can't be solved. The final estimates should illustrate what would happen, if latency is 1 second or 1 minute. Consequently, LHe is required, increasing the lower bound to the cost estimate.

Operations per reaction:

  • [Lower bound] CBN reaction time / piezo creep settling time
    • Reaction time = 8 hour workday / 6 atoms/day
    • Settling time = 60 seconds (US12174218B2)
    • Formula evaluates to 80 operations
  • [Upper bound] Probe diameter / pixel size * 2 orthogonal directions (X, Y) * log2(probe diameter / pixel size)
    • Probe diameter = 10 nm
    • Pixel size = 1/4 of the Si(100) surface unit cell
    • Formula evaluates to 600 operations
  • Final term of upper bound constitutes a binary search algorithm

Probes per SPM chamber:

  • [Lower bound] 4 has been achieved while reaching both UHV and 4.5 K (1)
  • [Upper bound] 6, to be conservative
  • This is a good place for future investigation, most likely quantification of the limiters regarding PCB interconnection to outside of the vacuum chamber. In addition, whether mechanical coupling between nearby SPMs harms vibration isolation.
  • The physics/geometry of a cryostat that doesn't recycle the liquid helium, may necessitate only 1 scanning probe per chamber. We won't include this pessimistic outcome in the estimates.

Number of building storeys:

  • [Lower bound] 1
  • [Upper bound] 2, to be conservative
  • Semiconductor fabs have different levels allocated to different functions. One might be a ventilation system for a clean room above. One larger clean room may be more economical than two smaller clean rooms.

Liquefaction systems per SPM chamber

  • [Lower bound] 0.5, to be conservative
  • [Upper bound] 1
  • This represents an optimization opportunity. Since the upfront cost of a liquefaction system is so great, perhaps use one liquefaction system to cover multiple machines.

Design iterations to build a successful replicator

  • [Lower bound] 11, number of Apollo missions to land on the Moon
  • [Upper bound] 200, because 1000 seems too pessimistic
  • Edison actually tried more than 1000 times to create the lightbulb: (1)
  • There is significant room for improvement on this estimate. Particularly, on shrinking the upper bound.

Reactions per Atom

Build Sequence Total Reactions Total Group IV Atoms Ratio
Diamond 62 40 1.55
Silicon 48 13 3.69
SiC, Inverted Mode 90 23 3.91

Source 1: GitHub

Source 2: GitHub

Vacuum Chamber Components

Every time the vacuum chamber is opened, copper CF flanges may need to be replaced. In the worst case, the chamber must be baked out every 2 weeks. For simplicity, the time delay to a replicator is 2 years, even though the following number may be used for a scenario with 5 years. (2 years / 2 weeks) * (2 flanges/baking out) = 104 flanges used. Add this number to the lower bound for "flange count".

Costs of components: CF flanges (1), which appear UHV-grade. The only source for viewports, after a quick search, is ThorLabs. These appear HV-grade, not UHV-grade (2). From these sources, I can make crude estimates for some parts I'm not yet familiar with.

Part Lower Bound Upper Bound
KF flange negligible, not UHV quality negligible, not UHV quality
CF flange $50 $100
viewport $300 $300

Cryostats that Evaporate the Cryogen

For helium, use the most efficient cryostats possible, the bath cryostat. It is very difficult to use, but we have no choice. It is important to minimize ongoing costs. The only alternative is an on-site gas liquefaction system, which costs even more. Except... I cannot get a good number from a quick internet search. I will use 0.45 L/h, which likely corresponds to a continuous flow cryostat. These machines are easier to use than bath cryostats. In addition, bath cryostats have a large overhead to fill with the gas before taking an SPM image. This overhead could counteract the lower per-hour cost.

Here is the final decision:

Coolant Optimistic Pessimistic
LHe 0.164 L/h (1) 0.5 L/h (2)
LN2 0.1 L/h (2) 2 L/h

Usage

The following steps must be performed, to acquire cost estimates.

Round 1:

  • Fill in the parameters that contribute to "Time Delay".
  • Budget either 2 or 5 years to build a functioning replicator.
  • Figure out the number of SPMs required. There should be four numbers, lower/upper for the 2-year scenario and lower/upper for the 5-year scenario.
  • Apply Amdahl's law.
    • If SPMs are producing parts with under 10,000 atoms, extend the amount of time required.
    • 204 million / 10k = 20400 SPMs maximum

Round 2:

  • Fill in the parameters that contribute to "Space".
  • Calculate the space and the number of vacuum chambers.

Round 3:

  • Fill in all of the remaining parameters in the equations above. Some, such as those for components of a vacuum chamber, might be appropriate as tables.
  • Calculate the financial cost of the entire effort, over all 2 or 5 years. Assume liquid helium is not needed.

Round 4:

  • Repeat round 3 for scenarios that need cryogenic temperatures:
    • [Scenario] Liquid nitrogen needed (consumed)
    • [Scenario] Liquid helium needed (consumed)
    • [Scenario] Liquid helium needed (recycled)
  • Repeat rounds 1, 2, 3 for scenarios where atom placement is horribly slow
    • Require liquid helium. Based on the previous analysis, go with the cheapest of "consumed" vs. "recycled".
    • [Scenario] Hyper-resolution qPlus AFM needed
    • [Scenario] Piezo creep cannot be solved

Example Calculation

Round 1

In Nanosystems, it is quoted that 90% of the atoms in a mechanical device are housing. To reduce the amount of uncertainty, we will increase the lower bound for replicator atom count. Assuming the 6DOF manipulator constitutes the 10% of atoms contributing to moving parts.

The instructions say to consider both lower/upper bound, for both 2 and 5 year scenarios. Instead, set the 2 year scenario as the optimistic bound, with 11 design iterations. The 5 year scenario is the pessimistic bound, with 200 design iterations. This choice reduces the range of uncertainty.

Parameter Lower Bound Upper Bound
feedback loop latency 0.6 ms 10 ms
operations/reaction 80 600
reactions/atom 1.55 3.91
atoms/replicator 40 million 204 million
design iterations/successful replicator 11 200
time to build a functioning replicator 2 years 5 years
component 2 = component 1 * (design iterations)/(successful replicator)
* 1 / (#scanning probes working in parallel)

#scanning probes working in parallel = component 1
* (design iterations)/(successful replicator) * (1 / component 2)
Component Optimistic Pessimistic
component 1 2.98e6 SPM-seconds 4.82e9 SPM-seconds
component 2 6.31e7 seconds 1.58e8 seconds
#scanning probes working in parallel 0.52 6,100

Repeating this analysis for the scenarios from "Round 4". First, hyper-resolution qPlus AFM. Although the images from the Geissbl paper had a frequency shift at 1 Hz, a plausible sensor bandwidth is 5 Hz. The worst-case scenario violated Amdahl's law, so I ran the calculations a second time with 30 years.

Parameter Lower Bound Upper Bound
feedback loop latency 0.2 s 0.2 s
time to build a functioning replicator 2 years 30 years
Component Optimistic Pessimistic
component 1 9.92e8 SPM-seconds 9.57e10 SPM-seconds
component 2 6.31e7 seconds 9.46e8 seconds
#scanning probes working in parallel 170 20,200

Finally, for the scenario bottlenecked by piezoelectric creep (CBN's current situation). Both of the bounds violated Amdahl's law. For the optimistic scenario, the limit is 40 million atoms / 10,000 atoms/part = 4000 parts. I ran the optimistic bound again, at 30 years. The pessimistic scenario must be 10,000 years.

Parameter Lower Bound Upper Bound
feedback loop latency 60 s 60 s
time to build a functioning replicator 30 years 10,000 years
Component Optimistic Pessimistic
component 1 2.98e11 SPM-seconds 3.38e13 SPM-seconds
component 2 9.46e8 seconds 3.15e11 seconds
#scanning probes working in parallel 3,470 21,500

The results of this round are summarized below. To simplify calculations in subsequent rounds, some significant figures were removed from estimates with very large absolute values.

Time Delay Optimistic Pessimistic
Fast SPM Sensors 2 years 5 years
Hyper-Resolution qPlus AFM 2 years 30 years
Piezo Creep Bottleneck 30 years 10,000 years
SPMs in Parallel Optimistic Pessimistic
Fast SPM Sensors 1 6,000
Hyper-Resolution qPlus AFM 170 20,000
Piezo Creep Bottleneck 3,500 20,000

The time delay constraint, is that the pessimistic estimate cannot exceed 5 years.

Meets Time Delay Constraint Optimistic Pessimistic Overall
Fast SPM Sensors
Hyper-Resolution qPlus AFM
Piezo Creep Bottleneck

Round 2

To avoid errors, apply both the lower and upper bounds for the following parameters, to both the "Optimistic" and "Pessimistic" estimates from Round 1. The result should be four different numbers. At the end of the round, judge which two numbers to pick out of the four. The choice should maximize the gap between optimistic and pessimistic estimates.

Parameter Lower Bound Upper Bound
chamber dimension 0.5 m 0.5 m
spacing between chambers 2.0 m 2.0 m
scanning probes/SPM chamber 4 6
XPS systems/SPM chamber 0.25 0.5
MBE systems/SPM chamber 0.25 0.5
number of building storeys 1 2

For parameters that multiply in the formula, a pessimistic case has a larger value. For parameters that divide in the formula, a pessimistic case has a smaller value. This realization might resolve the ambiguity between lower/upper bounds and optimistic/pessimistic estimates.

Parameter Effect Optimistic Case Pessimistic Case
chamber dimension multiply 0.5 m 0.5 m
spacing between chambers multiply 2.0 m 2.0 m
scanning probes/SPM chamber divide 6 4
XPS systems/SPM chamber multiply 0.25 0.5
MBE systems/SPM chamber multiply 0.25 0.5
number of building storeys divide 2 1
Component Optimistic Pessimistic
component 1 6.25 m2 6.25 m2
component 2 #SPMs / 6 #SPMs / 4
component 3 #SPMs * 0.25 #SPMs * 0.5
component 4 #SPMs * 0.781 m2 #SPMs * 3.13 m2

For the results of Round 1, we will calculate the following. #SPMs * 0.781 m2 for the optimistic case. #SPMs * 3.13 m2 for the pessimistic case. This choice appears to be the correct one. In addition, calculate the square side length of the facility. It is the square root of the area.

2D Area Allocated Optimistic Pessimistic
Fast SPM Sensors 0.781 m2 18,800 m2
Hyper-Resolution qPlus AFM 133 m2 62,600 m2
Piezo Creep Bottleneck 2,730 m2 62,600 m2
1D Facility Dimension Optimistic Pessimistic
Fast SPM Sensors 0.884 m 137 m
Hyper-Resolution qPlus AFM 11.5 m 250 m
Piezo Creep Bottleneck 52.2 m 250 m

The space constraint, is that the pessimistic estimate cannot exceed 1 kilometer in any dimension.

Meets Space Constraint Optimistic Pessimistic Overall
Fast SPM Sensors
Hyper-Resolution qPlus AFM
Piezo Creep Bottleneck

Round 3

Costs for the pumps are recited from memory, without citing the sources. Similarly, the cost of vacuum chamber walls is set arbitrarily. For formulas with such a large number of parameters, we must cut corners to save time investigating. The effect on the final results is less severe; these numbers add, instead of multiplying together. More rigorous theoretical investigation could give very high-quality estimates for these costs.

Parameter Lower Bound Upper Bound
cost of roughing pump $2,000 $2,000
cost of turbo pump $5,000 $12,000
cost of ion pump $1,000 $2,000
cost of vacuum chamber walls $8,000 $8,000
cost of CF flange $50 $100
flange count 10 114
cost of viewport $300 $300
viewport count 3 3

Cost per vacuum chamber: $17,400 (optimistic), $36,300 (pessimistic). This is orders of magnitude lower than commercial systems, priced at over $1,000,000 (quoting Scienta Omicron's CEO) even for systems that might not have LHe. However, these costs don't include many auxiliary costs, such as vibration isolation and highways between chambers. They also don't include the person-hours cost to set up and maintain vacuum chambers.

We must be very efficient, about balancing the tradeoff of making chambers easy to use. For example, maglev turbopumps ($12,000) have more upfront cost, but less person-hours spent periodically changing the oil. In addition, less time spent re-outgassing the chamber after servicing the pump. Oil-lubricated pumps might be changed out, on the order of 5 times per year. Probably more than most commercial systems, as our facility will run machines at 100% duty cycle (24/7).

Another series of parameters, pulled with little justification and no sources cited. This is to save time getting an estimate out; further work can refine it. First, the case that requires XPS and MBE, but not cryogens. Alternatively, cryogens, but not recycled. Assume the cost of such a cryostat (e.g. continuous flow LHe cryostat) to be negligible.

Parameter Lower Bound Upper Bound
XPS systems/SPM chamber same as Round 2 same as Round 2
MBE systems/SPM chamber same as Round 2 same as Round 2
cost of piezo driver $300 $300
cost of piezos $300 $1500
scanning probes/SPM chamber same as Round 2 same as Round 2

For the optimistic case, we actually increase the cost of the SPMs in each chamber.

Parameter Optimistic Pessimistic
scanning probes/SPM chamber 6 4
Component Optimistic Pessimistic
component 1 $17,400 $36,300
component 2 $29,700 $79,800
component 3 #SPMs * $4,950 #SPMs * $20,000
component 4 $52,800 $110,700

Second, the case that requires both cryogens and cryogen recycling. We are using numbers recited from commercial sources. I recall two distinct sources, one saying $60,000 and the other saying $70,000. There might be a high upfront cost to develop a custom design with lower cost. It would only be beneficial late-stage, to optimize the cost of the semiconductor fab. One optimization may come from switching to liquid neon (estimate: 2x cost reduction to fabricate a liquefaction system).

Parameter Lower Bound Upper Bound
cost of gas liquefaction system $60,000 $70,000
liquefaction systems/SPM chamber 0.5 1
Component Optimistic Pessimistic
component 2 $59,700 $150,000
component 3 #SPMs * $9,950 #SPMs * $37,500

The pessimistic cost aligns with something I heard in private conversation, that an SPM with liquid helium recycling could be plausible for as low as $250,000. We don't have many numbers, from any sources, published or not.

Finally, combine the two cases (LHe recycling or not) with the SPM count. Ultra-slow imaging techniques require 4 K for stability. For the most optimistic case with fast SPM sensors, it is unrealistic to multiply cost/SPM by one. There is a non-multiplicative relationship, as the minimum number of SPMs/chamber is 6. However, there is yet another non-multiplicative relationship. The minimum number of XPS/MBE systems is 1. Therefore, we just state the lowest estimate for upfront cost to run a single mechanosynthesis experiment.

Upfront Cost Conditions Optimistic Pessimistic
Fast SPM Sensors room temperature $53,000 $120 million
Fast SPM Sensors LHe, recycled $113,000 $225 million
Hyper-Resolution qPlus AFM LHe, not recycled $842,000 $400 million
Hyper-Resolution qPlus AFM LHe, recycled $1.7 million $750 million
Piezo Creep Bottleneck LHe, not recycled $17 million $400 million
Piezo Creep Bottleneck LHe, recycled $34 million $750 million

The upfront cost constraint, is that the pessimistic estimate cannot exceed 1 year of US trade volume. As of 2023, the US GDP was $27.7 trillion.

Meets Upfront Cost Constraint Conditions Optimistic Pessimistic Overall
Fast SPM Sensors room temperature
Fast SPM Sensors LHe, recycled
Hyper-Resolution qPlus AFM LHe, not recycled
Hyper-Resolution qPlus AFM LHe, recycled
Piezo Creep Bottleneck LHe, not recycled
Piezo Creep Bottleneck LHe, recycled

Round 4

I am deviating from the instructions. This is the round where ongoing costs are determined.

$14.25 per kilogram of hydrogen at the pump (1)

Gas Property Value
LN2 density (kg/L) 0.807
LH2 density (kg/L) 0.0709
LHe density (kg/L) 0.125
gaseous N2 density (m3/kg) 0.800
gaseous H2 density (m3/kg) 11.1
gaseous He density (m3/kg) 5.62
Parameter Lower Bound Upper Bound
LN2 liters/hour 0.1 2.0
LH2 liters/hour 2.0 2.0
LHe liters/hour 0.164 0.5
LN2 cost/liter $1.78 $2.50
LH2 cost/liter $1.01 $1.01
LHe cost/liter $20 $50

I am using the following rule for person hours cost. Best case, we have 2 employees monitoring the factory at any moment. There are 8-hour shifts, and people monitor 24/7. We are paying someone to be there at every hour. Worst case, we have one employee per 10 SPM chambers. I don't have any reasonable estimate for hourly wage, so I'm throwing in $30–$50.

Parameter Lower Bound Upper Bound
power of roughing pump 300 W 550 W
power of turbo pump 100 W 300 W
power of ion pump 40 W 200 W
power of piezo driver 10 W 50 W
power of gas liquefaction system 500 W 1000 W
energy cost per kWh $0.14 $0.14
employees on guard, 24/7 2 #SPM chambers / 10
hourly wage $30 $50
component 1 Temperature Optimistic Pessimistic
ambient 300 K $0.00 $0.00
LN2 80 K $0.18 $5.00
LNe, recycled 30 K $0.00 $0.00
LH2 25 K $2.02 $2.02
LHe 10 K $3.28 $25.00
LHe, recycled 5 K $0.00 $0.00
component 2 Optimistic Pessimistic
not recycling a cryogen 500 W 1250 W
recycling a cryogen 750 W 2250 W
component 3 Optimistic Pessimistic
not recycling a cryogen $0.070 $0.175
recycling a cryogen $0.105 $0.315

Remember that the number of SPM chambers is the number of SPMs, divided by 6 or 4. This division is noted in the table below, but not explicitly evaluated. This is to reduce the chance for errors, and make the calculations more traceable. Since this specific calculation is quite lengthy and error-prone.

component 4 Temperature Optimistic Pessimistic
ambient 300 K #SPMs * $613 / 6 #SPMs * $1533 / 4
LN2 80 K #SPMs * $2190 / 6 #SPMs * $45000 / 4
LNe, recycled 30 K #SPMs * $920 / 6 #SPMs * $2760 / 4
LH2 25 K #SPMs * $18300 / 6 #SPMs * $19200 / 4
LHe 10 K #SPMs * $29300 / 6 #SPMs * $221000 / 4
LHe, recycled 5 K #SPMs * $920 / 6 #SPMs * $2760 / 4
component 5: revised formula for person hours cost, per year
(employees on guard, 24/7) * (wage in dollars/hour) * (hours/year)
Component Optimistic Pessimistic
component 5 $526000 ((#SPMs / 4) / 10) * $438000
component 6 #SPMs * 168 m3 #SPMs * 769 m3

Finally, we will evaluate all of the ongoing costs. First, cost of cooling solutions for the case of "Fast SPM Sensors".

Ongoing Cost Temperature Optimistic Pessimistic
ambient 300 K $613/yr $2.3 million/yr
LN2 80 K $2,190/yr $68 million/yr
LNe, recycled 30 K $920/yr $4.1 million/yr
LH2 25 K $18,300/yr $29 million/yr
LHe 10 K $29,300/yr $330 million/yr
LHe, recycled 5 K $920/yr $4.1 million/yr

Next, the cost of cooling solutions for slow sensors. The most substantial improvement comes from switching from burning LHe to recycling LHe. Switching to other coolants doesn't change the costs much. However, these estimates don't account for a large number of factors; more detailed analysis is needed.

Ongoing Cost Conditions Optimistic Pessimistic
Hyper-Resolution qPlus AFM LNe, recycled $26,100/yr $14 million/yr
Hyper-Resolution qPlus AFM LH2 $519,000/yr $96 million/yr
Hyper-Resolution qPlus AFM LHe, not recycled $830,000/yr $1.1 billion/yr
Hyper-Resolution qPlus AFM LHe, recycled $26,000/yr $14 million/yr
Piezo Creep Bottleneck LHe, not recycled $17 million/yr $1.1 billion/yr
Piezo Creep Bottleneck LHe, recycled $540,000/yr $14 million/yr

Next, the person hours cost. This is comparable to the cost of cryogens or on-site refridgeration.

Ongoing Cost Optimistic Pessimistic
Fast SPM Sensors $526,000/yr $66 million/yr
Hyper-Resolution qPlus AFM $526,000/yr $220 million/yr
Piezo Creep Bottleneck $526,000/yr $220 million/yr

Finally, the helium consumption if not recycled.

Gaseous Helium Consumption Optimistic Pessimistic
Fast SPM Sensors 168 m3/yr 4.6 million m3/yr
Hyper-Resolution qPlus AFM 28,600 m3/yr 15 million m3/yr
Piezo Creep Bottleneck 588,000 m3/yr 15 million m3/yr

All possibilities satisfy the criterion, of being under 30% of US GDP ($8.3 trillion/yr). The worst cases also fall below the annual helium selloff rate (79 million m3/yr). The cases requiring 15 million m3/yr would deplete all US geologic natural gas reservoirs in ~570 years.

Conclusion

Examine the costs with CBN's current approach. I reduced the pessimistic bound by 7.5x, regarding metrics proportional to time delay. There was a non-multiplicative relationship between "feedback loop latency" and "operations/reaction". The upper bound for "operations/reaction" was 600, but the lower bound actually came from CBN. It is fair to combine 60 s/operation with 80 operations/reaction. The 7.5x reduction does not apply to the table after this one, which describes qPlus AFM.

In the worst case, it would take 1300 years and deplete all known US helium deposits, 2.4 times over. In the best case, it would take 30 years while constituting 1% of the US helium market. The sum of all financial costs falls between $540 million and $1.7 trillion. Financially, it is completely doable with the world's resources. Scarcity of helium might not even be an issue, in some scenarios. The reason it's not feasible, is simply because the piezos are too slow.

Metric Lower (Optimistic) Upper (Pessimistic)
Replicator Atom Count 40,000,000 204,000,000
SPMs in Parallel 3,500 20,000
Time Delay 30 years 1,300 years
Facility Area (2D) 2,730 m2 62,600 m2
Facility Dimension (1D) 52.2 m 250 m
Upfront Cost $17 million $400 million
Ongoing Cost (Hardware) $17 million/yr $1.1 billion/yr
Ongoing Cost (Salaries) $526,000/yr $220 million/yr
All Costs over Lifespan of Effort $540 million $1.7 trillion
Gaseous Helium Usage (Yearly) 588,000 m3 15 million m3
Gaseous Helium Usage (Total) 17.6 million m3 20 billion m3

Assume piezo creep is fixed. The next bottleneck is reliance on hyper-resolution qPlus AFM, that can clearly resolve carbon-carbon bonds in aromatic hydrocarbons. We set the measurement bandwidth at 5 Hz, where the frequency shift is 1 Hz. (128 pixels)^2 / 5 Hz = 1 hour. That reproduces the imaging times reported for this technique.

The time required would reduce by a significant amount. The pessimistic case is now within our lifetimes. The greatest possible amount of helium that might be consumed, is 24% of the remaining US stockpile. The sum of all financial costs falls between $3.5 million and $40 billion.

Metric Lower (Optimistic) Upper (Pessimistic)
Replicator Atom Count 40,000,000 204,000,000
SPMs in Parallel 170 20,000
Time Delay 2 years 30 years
Facility Area (2D) 133 m2 62,600 m2
Facility Dimension (1D) 11.5 m 250 m
Upfront Cost $842,000 $400 million
Ongoing Cost (Hardware) $830,000/yr $1.1 billion/yr
Ongoing Cost (Salaries) $526,000/yr $220 million/yr
All Costs over Lifespan of Effort $3.5 million $40 billion
Gaseous Helium Usage (Yearly) 28,600 m3 15 million m3
Gaseous Helium Usage (Total) 57,200 m3 450 million m3

One more optimization is to drastically cut the cost, without changing the time delay. Switch from burning LHe to recycling the LHe. Or swapping it out for LNe, for a marginal reduction in upfront cost and power consumption. The sum of all financial costs falls between $2.8 million and $7.8 billion.

Metric Lower (Optimistic) Upper (Pessimistic)
Upfront Cost $1.7 million $750 million
Ongoing Cost (Hardware) $26,000/yr $14 million/yr
Ongoing Cost (Salaries) $526,000/yr $220 million/yr
All Costs over Lifespan of Effort $2.8 million $7.8 billion
Gaseous Helium Usage (Yearly) 0 m3 0 m3
Gaseous Helium Usage (Total) 0 m3 0 m3

To shorten the time delay (and slice the cost in proportion), we must move on to faster sensors. It is not currently known what the next bottleneck after piezo creep is. Perhaps it's in the coarse X/Y actuation before using each tripod in inverted mode. This cost could be amortized a little, if ~10 tripods fit on a (100 nm)2 area between coarse actuations. It could also be sample exchange, although migrating from coarse XZ to coarse XYZ should eliminate that bottleneck. Perhaps it is the tooltip being presented, being completely random. If it's not the tooltip you want, you have to move on to a different tripod. This might slow things down an order of magnitude, and there would be no way around it.

How many atoms/day/SPM? Was the idea of 50,000 atoms/day accurate? Let's start out with an 8-hour workday, which we'd expect in the early stages. With a small lab and no automation. This is what we'd report in the first research papers. Compare it to CBN's supposed 6–100 atoms/day reactions/day.

Sensor or Bottleneck Optimistic Pessimistic
STM (5400 Hz) 1.9 million reactions/day 260,000 reactions/day
STM (1635 Hz) 589,000 reactions/day 78,500 reactions/day
qPlus AFM (990 Hz) 356,000 reactions/day 47,500 reactions/day
qPlus AFM (450 Hz) 162,000 reactions/day 21,600 reactions/day
qPlus AFM (5 Hz) 1,800 reactions/day 240 reactions/day
Piezo Creep (1 min) 6 reactions/day 6 reactions/day

Constrain the range of reactions/atom, from 1.55–3.96 to 3.00–3.91. This models methylene taking one reaction to place, one reaction to remove the first hydrogen, and one reaction to remove the second. Carbon dimers are 1.55 reactions/atom when building amorphous carbon. The only repeating unit cell buildable with carbon dimers might be carbon nanotubes. In that case, it could be 0.5 reactions/atom. Either way, it is out of scope for a conservative estimate. Carbon dimers are a speculative optimization regarding "coarse building blocks with several atoms". Anything more complex, like spiroligomer feedstocks, is even more speculative.

Sensor or Bottleneck Optimistic Pessimistic
STM (5400 Hz) 630,000 atoms/day 66,500 atoms/day
STM (1635 Hz) 196,000 atoms/day 20,100 atoms/day
qPlus AFM (990 Hz) 119,000 atoms/day 12,100 atoms/day
qPlus AFM (450 Hz) 54,000 atoms/day 5,520 atoms/day
qPlus AFM (5 Hz) 600 atoms/day 61 atoms/day
Piezo Creep (1 min) 2 atoms/day 1.5 atoms/day
CBN placing mostly carbon dimers 4–12 atoms/day 4–12 atoms/day

Finally, the atoms/day in a full factory workflow, where SPM operation has been automated.

Sensor or Bottleneck Optimistic Pessimistic
STM (5400 Hz) 1.9 million atoms/day 200,000 atoms/day
STM (1635 Hz) 589,000 atoms/day 60,300 atoms/day
qPlus AFM (990 Hz) 356,000 atoms/day 36,300 atoms/day
qPlus AFM (450 Hz) 162,000 atoms/day 16,600 atoms/day
qPlus AFM (5 Hz) 1,800 atoms/day 183 atoms/day
Piezo Creep (1 min) 6 atoms/day 4.5 atoms/day
CBN placing mostly carbon dimers 12–36 atoms/day 12–36 atoms/day

Next Steps

Here are some possible next steps, whose investment cost is a fraction of the end-goal semiconductor fab. The steps are ranked roughly from most to least accessible.

Experimental demonstration of lithium niobate scanning probe:

  • [Outcome] Eliminate the possibility of a piezo creep bottleneck, which pushes the time delay up to 30–10,000 years.
  • [Investment] 1 person-year of full-time work from Philip. He is the person with specialized knowledge on LiNbO3.
  • This outcome does not close the uncertainty gap in latency per operation. It is not known whether coarse XY actuation will be the dominant bottleneck (switching between different tripods spaced tens of nanometers apart). However, the investigation will reveal useful insights into coarse actuation.

Theoretical demonstration of atomically detailed replicator design:

  • [Outcome] Show that a replicator design does not need a full vacuum enclosure. Thus, the atom count may be reduced by 10x.
  • [Investment] 6 person-months of full-time work from Philip. He is the person with specialized knowledge on CAD in the million-atom range.
  • This outcome does not definitely prove a replicator can be built with low cost. Nonetheless, it provides important insights into replicator design. It is advised to do this before investing large amounts of money. It could be, that even in theory, there are major issues preventing a 3DOF actuator from working at all. Experimental demonstration would proceed regardless of the results, but it would be comforting to know the results beforehand.

Theoretical demonstration of minimal-cost UHV SPM system:

  • [Outcome] More accurate estimates of upfront cost (ongoing costs are already easy to estimate)
  • [Investment] Unknown number of person hours; a low-cost investigation will reveal this number
  • The early stages might sacrifice cost/SPM for the quickness of getting results. Provided, we have assurance that cost can be minimized in later stages. A thorough theoretical investigation, including FreeCAD 3D models, would be comforting before proceeding with even a single costly SPM.
  • We should understand the impact of a situation where cryogens are needed.

Experimental demonstration of tripod synthesis

  • [Outcome] Reduce a source of delay between setting up a laboratory, and running an initial mechanosynthesis experiment
  • [Investment] Unknown number of dollars and person hours; 2 person-months of full-time work may reveal this number
  • If this is done too soon, the effort could be wasted, because we made the wrong tripod (wrong surface chemistry/linkers). An initial target has the Ge-substituted adamantane cage framework, with the bromine-capped ethynyl feedstock.
  • An alternative, which may be easier to synthesize, but less useful, is ethynyl-adamantane. This specific tripod would still serve some practical use far-term, as the best possible hydrogen abstraction tool. However, voltage pulses may also compensate for the energetic issues with hydrogen abstraction by Ge-CC.

Experimental demonstration of inverted mode mechanosynthesis:

  • [Outcome] 300x reduction in uncertainty of nearly all cost metrics. Eliminates the uncertainty in "feedback loop latency", "operations/reaction", "reactions/atom".
  • [Investment] 3 years with multiple employees. Cost tabulated below.
  • In order for the "Outcome" to take effect, the atom placement error rate must be extremely low. For example, 10-3 or 10-5. Otherwise, we may still have to resort to hyper-resolution qPlus AFM and/or 4 K for acceptable error rates.
  • Judge whether the discovered success rate is sufficient for self-replication without error checking. This analysis would pair well with a theoretical, atomically detailed replicator design.
Contributor XPS/MBE required XPS/MBE not required
Hardware $53,000–$111,000 $18,000–$38,000
Synthesizing Tripods (Salary) unknown unknown
Synthesizing Tripods (Lab Access) unknown unknown
Synthesizing Tripods (NMR Access) unknown unknown
Employee Salary at SPM Lab $605,000–$1,010,000 $605,000–$1,010,000

The following parameters were used for employee salary:

  • random guess of 4 employees
  • 35-hour work weeks
  • 48 weeks/year
  • randomly guessed wage of $30–$50/hr

Additional Section

The following section might be restating the points from the rest of the document. I'm not sure how relevant it is.

Work needed on the computational/theoretical side:

  • Understand the issue regarding vacuum chamber housing. Housing consumes 90% of the atoms in a structure. Yet, it is important to have atomically precise frames, with seals (also atomically precise) for feedstocks. The position of the actuator must be defined relative to the place where it builds.
    • Can you construct a perfect vacuum seal, when the walls must be broken into several parts ~10,000 to ~100,000 atoms large? Will contaminant gases seep through the vdW gaps?
  • Understand the issues with nanopositioner accuracy. Although thermal noise (stiffness/compliance) was minimized in Nanosystems, there are also issues from quantization error and nonlinearities.
  • Understand how signals would be transduced from the macroscale, into analog (linear) actuations of a 3DOF or 6DOF nanopositioner at the nanoscale. Especially, near-term, where an artificial replicator becomes the most rudimentary replacement for an SPM.

Work needed on the chemistry side:

  • We need to know synthetic routes for a handful of tripods. With detailed procedures for reproducing in a lab without NMR capabilities. Ge-substituted adamantane with Ge-H, Ge-CCI, Ge-CH2I. Regular adamantane with C-CCI. Both R-OH and R-SH linkers.
  • Understand how silicon feedstocks (Ge-SiH3) would be generated in-situ. I'm almost certain that, if R-OH linkers are present, they will corrupt the Ge-SiH3 functional group in solution. R-SH might not. This needs more elaboration. Silicon feedstocks will most likely be necessary.
  • Understand the low-level details, such as reactions/atom and reaction success rate. What is the atom placement speed?
  • Understand whether cryogens are really needed. If so, whether 25–30 K can be used instead of 5–10 K.
  • Understand the effect of "blurriness" of the SPM sensor on reaction success rate. This is the next step up, after fixing the horrible conflating factor of piezo creep when attempting to know where the atom is.

Work needed on the hardware side:

  • Prove piezo creep can be overcome in a functional SPM with 3 fine DOFs and 2 coarse DOFs (all in the X/Y/Z cartesian directions). This is the greatest priority before any other work.
  • Get more concrete estimates to low cost for near-term and far-term vacuum chamber systems. Including the whole system cost, including possible XPS, MBE, and gas liquefaction systems.
  • Understand what's to do with transferring things between vacuum chambers. Are the doors between them sources of leaks?
  • Understand how to operate large numbers of parallel vacuum chambers with minimal human labor.
  • Understand the low-level details of stuffing multiple SPMs into a single chamber.

What we cannot predict:

  • Whether a diamondoid nanopositioner even works, with fidelity comparable to lithium niobate. Or whether we can use some other tricks, to get low error rates without linear nanopositioning. The ability to replicate comes from matter going digital, and being able to program a digitized 3D lattice. This programmable lattice constitutes diamondoid parts that make up a replicator, with form closure.
  • Whether the replicator can even function outside of UHV and/or cryogenic temperatures (conditions needed to minimize error rate from contaminants or thermal motion).
  • How many tries it will take! This document uses a range of 11–200.
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Do you want to build a CSRM using STM entirely? You can first, for example, build 1 nanomanipulator of 4,000,000 atoms and then throw out all the STM.

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philipturner commented Apr 24, 2025

We're just scratching the surface on the complexity of this whole thing. I've been looking over Lukas's wiki as of late, and there are some other people getting rigorous research on other, basic unanswered questions about the true needs for replication. Mostly, it's the problem of error rates. And the fact that vacuum is imperfect. Combine that, with how many atoms you truly need for form closure in a system that can actuate in 3 dimensions to build a copy. We need more rigorous analysis of atomically detailed actuator designs, which is difficult if everything will be amorphous and impossible to simulate. That's why we need experimental confirmation you can even build a crystal lattice, before making any further progress. If a perfect crystal is not possible, or so slow it cripples throughput compared to amorphous carbon, it's bad news. Really, really bad news for being able to design a priori.

If you look at the trail of papers by Robert Wolkow, and some reviews found under his Google Scholar. There's a 2025 overview about various methods for doping silicon surfaces with STM or higher-throughput e-beam methods and even EUV lithography. With a catch. All the methods that dope PH3 gases onto atomically precise created Si dangling bonds. They lose the atomic precision because the P atom will land semi-randomly in one of maybe 4 different possible positions. And there are field emission methods of H-depassivation that remove many more H atoms/second, but of course lose true atomic precision. So my gut feeling, is there will be a balance. Methods with more throughput (atoms/day) will not have full atomic precision, but you can still build stuff atom-by-atom and get real time feedback through STM imaging. Wolkow has been pursuing pure Si dangling bonds (no PH3 dopants at all, just using the dangling bond itself as an electronic device) because omitting the PH3 step lets you retain atomic precision. But that means you must keep the entire chip in UHV from production, to encapsulation, to usage in the wild. There's not yet been a proven method for die bonding a second Si wafer on top of the first, without physically contacting and crushing the Si dangling bond pattern and without even a single atom-sized hole between the bonded wafers. That makes me question whether Si dangling bond electronics can be made economical or profitable. And highly likely molecular nanotechnology will need to be UHV, and stay in UHV until we can make an atomically precise vacuum seal for nanomachines to survive in the wild. The whole process to getting self replication must happen without breaking the vacuum.

So the large vacuum seal making the KSRM replicator get to 204,000,000 atoms. You can leave that out, and just have the maybe 20,000,000 atoms for the 12-DOF actuators. And nothing else. But just make sure your UHV chamber is super clean. I can't give any more thorough, rigorous analysis than that statement. At the moment. There's so many different aspects of this whole project, makes the entire thing complex, hard to wrap your head around. The need for super clean UHV is a concern, one of many, for how hard it practically is to build your own UHV system. Superstitious, wierd methods for cleaning oils and dust off UHV chamber parts before you even start baking them out...

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philipturner commented Apr 24, 2025

I guess you could call this "information overload". All of my research, insights, and lab notes (on the home-built-stm repo) are open source. So if you're interested, it's an open realm to find facts yourself and figure stuff out. Really, a new open field with LiNbO3 being discovered and an uncharted design space of creep-free STM designs. We're just now suffering from the influx of practical issues, that typically would take a decade of multiple research papers to reveal to the forefront. These practical issues add to the existing, known problems and complexities of UHV, tripod synthesis, replicator designs, you name it. God, it's taken a significant mental toll, feels like a bunch of responsibility or overload, every card has been thrown on the table and nothing left. Don't even know what to make of any of this right now, what's the motivations leading me to feel unmotivated to work on LiNbO3 right now. Anyway, the world is complex, and it doesn't want to work with you. I'll get back to something else I need to finish right now.

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I try to keep my Twitter clean, and confine rants like this to my home-built-stm README. I'm going to make sure this rant stays just on this gist. If someone wants, they can locate it when appropriate.

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Yes, it’s difficult, but that’s okay — the challenges are being solved step by step. I see a rough direction:

  • use an SPM to build a mesoscale assembler (not atomically precise)
  • the mesoscale assembler already operates orders of magnitude faster and more reliably
  • then we build a nanomanipulator
  • the nanomanipulator constructs the KSRM.

Everything can happen within a single UHV chamber.

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philipturner commented Apr 25, 2025

Not exactly. An not-atomically precise machine likely cannot perform actuation. That's because it's limited by friction.

Everything can happen within a single UHV chamber.

Yes, sort of. Everything should happen without a single exposure to ambient environments. You need to transfer nano-parts between different UHV chambers with different SPMs. Because a single SPM lacks enough throughput to build the entire replicating system. You need to transport nanoparts from different SPMs in different chambers, to one common UHV chamber. But the doors between chambers will be very good seals, and the overall composite system of multiple chambers never touches ambient oxygen.

If chemical reactions have 10^{-1} error rate even with perfect vacuum, and we can't even build a perfect crystal to begin with, that makes the issues of vacuum contamination errors not even the biggest concern. Then, vacuum contamination might simply be a different problem, that your feedstock doesn't stick to the surface, because it's covered in oxygen atoms. If your goal is to just get atoms to stick at all (still very hard to do in practice). That's my goal near-term, because it's more accessible in practice to not aim for a perfect crystal lattice.

  • use an SPM to build a mesoscale assembler (not atomically precise)
  • the mesoscale assembler already operates orders of magnitude faster and more reliably
  • then we build a nanomanipulator
  • the nanomanipulator constructs the KSRM.

Use the SPM to build a functioning nanomanipulator, first time. There is no intermediate scale up. We don't need replication before having a nanomanipulator. We build the nanomanipulator directly with the SPM. The fact that it can perform nanomanipulation, is what gives it form closure (ability to build a copy of itself).

If the output of a mechanosynthesis operation is random, it can't replicate. It can't build a perfect copy of itself. It's like if DNA strands didn't pair up correctly with the opposite bases. Especially, for a replicator, we cannot have real-time human feedback checking the random outcome of a reaction and correcting for it / modifying the build sequence. That would require an on-board computer and sensor, which explodes the atom count of a replicator drastically.

Can you achieve form closure with something other than DNA and sp3 crystal lattices? That's one branch of the near-term to far-term gap that we need to consider. If we can't even build sp3 lattices near-term, we might not be able to far-term either. Maybe carbon nanotubes can have low friction, but there are still open questions about analog methods of locking actuations to multiples of a lattice constant. Actually, can we even get deterministic actuation without relying on diamondoids?

To summarize, there are two options. We don't know which one will happen in reality, until we have experimental evidence of mechanosynthesis of either material:

  • amorphous carbon, potentially with carbon nanotubes
    • bad news for rational design by humans, computationally intractable to simulate
    • lack of repeating pattern, irregular or unpassivated surfaces would have friction. Bad news for nanomanipulation/actuation, no prior studies on this (for reasons from the previous bullet point)
  • silicon carbide
    • all previous work on far-term nanomachine or nanomanipulator designs, uses materials like C and SiC
    • although plausible based on zero-temperature simulations, the process of preparing the required feedstocks will require multiple steps in practice. Scanning over a tripod with an STM to rip off a hydrogen or acetylene, then flow Si2H6 gas over, then another pass with STM ripping off a single H off the SiH3 feedstock to create SiH2·. Hopefully, it will be simpler than the simulations suggest, when we try in experiment. There is too little information proven IRL to know at the moment.

The issues of form closure, error checking, actuation, replication, vacuum lockout, ability to simulate and characterize. These are all distinct problems, and we might be conflating them. The KSRM replicator solved important issues of: vacuum lockout (source of error rates from vacuum contamination), feedstock supply (simple and fast because the feedstocks come in passively from the surrounding liquid acetylene-octane mixture), data I/O (actuators controlled by broadcaster -> receiver ultrasound data link). By throwing away the KSRM design, we have to solve these problems in a different way, in addition to any new problems possibly revealed after 2004.

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the mesoscale assembler already operates orders of magnitude faster and more reliably

This is one of the biggest misconceptions probably. We tried to make smaller STMs with MEMS, but they have practical issues and the entire 3DOF actuation network cannot be fully enclosed in a single silicon die. And regarding reliability, the biggest issues are whether we can even build the same product on every attempt, or whether it's completely random and nondeterministic. If that gets solved, then the limiter is vacuum contamination errors. If vacuum contamination is the limiter, all methods of building atoms (macroscale or nanoscale) have the same factor limiting the lower bound to error rate. Neither is more "reliable".

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Thanks for the clarifications, I've gained a better understanding of your strategy. There is still a question - how do you want to do 50,000 reactions per day on STM? Why can't CBN do that? Will the details of the process be revealed in other posts?

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Piezoelectric creep is the reason CBN can't get anywhere near 50,000 reactions/day. Early leaks, circa December 2023 or early 2024, were 3 reactions/day/SPM. Later, in ~September 2024, the numbers had improved to 6 reactions/day/SPM. All of this is done under complete supervision by a human. CBN is hoping to "automate" the process, so the SPMs can run overnight without human supervision. If a human works 8 hours/day, and automation increases the duty cycle to 24 hours (3x more hours), perhaps their numbers could jump to 18 reactions/day/SPM.

The fact that we have only 3-18 reactions/day/SPM is alarming. Before recently, we thought SPMs were slow, i.e. 50,000 reactions/day is slow (much less than 200 million atoms quoted from KSRM). But, on hearing 3 reactions/day, that's super alarming. Mega mega slow, even worse than we already expected. No way on Earth can parallelism (using multiple SPMs) account for this slowness.

Throughout the last year, I made a bunch of posts on Twitter, and signed up for an undergraduate research course, searching for a solution to the "mega bottleneck". I came up with lithium niobate piezoelectric actuators. I'll be posting a powerpoint summarizing my main findings, once the semester is over (early May). It looks both physically possible and possible to fabricate IRL. However, it will take a few person-months of work on my end.

Until LiNbO3 is proven a real-world functioning STM, there is no reason for anyone to invest large sums of money. Making this simple prototype STM does not cost much. Once it is proven, I will start planning a real-world experiment to prove amorphous carbon can be built. And then, in the far future, we would advance to proving silicon carbide can be built. It's not economical to start planning for the latter two experiments right now, because that planning process itself eats up time. And delays progress on proving LiNbO3 solves piezo creep in a fully integrated STM system.

I think, the issue with funding, is not whether you can convince people with fancy persuasions. Give someone a damn bill of materials, explain with full engineering rigor why it costs this much. UHV shouldn't cost $1 million that Scienta Omicron charges. I think, once these costs are demystified and lowered, investors are more willing because they see their money is being spent more efficiently.

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Why can't CBN do that?

To more directly answer the question, CBN can't do that because they lack the motivation, timeliness, and skills to build their own hardware (with LiNbO3 actuators). They just use off the shelf hardware. I bet Ralph and Rob are trying to build diamond, then make a publication saying "diamond can be built at all", even if very slowly. They'll get more attention and attract more funding. I'm trying to undermine them and show this idea is horrible, nobody will give in, and they won't get more funding. It's a crime to be withholding practical experimental details about a technology that could save our lives in the future (medical nanobots). They are causing unnecessary delay, and I've given up hope that they will ever change. So I devise my own, alternative practical experimental details that are a bit more accessible and with less cost (e.g. no liquid helium).

Primarily:

  • Don't aim for a perfect sp3-hybridized crystal lattice from the start. Whether it be diamond or silicon carbide. Instead, aim for whatever feedstock + surface combination even "sticks". Does the feedstock even bond to the target? This is impossible in air, solution, or high vacuum. Because the build surface is either covered in an oxide layer, or graphite (which doesn't oxidize, but feedstocks may stick) has other practical issues.
  • Later on, aim for the much more difficult task of making a crystal. Or, perhaps at that point, we'll have new theoretical investigations saying amorphous carbon is good enough to build a nanomanipulator (1-DoF actuator, to start). Then we can skip the diamond or SiC entirely, and directly build a nanoscale mechanical stepper motor with accessible experimental methods.

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Accelerating mechanosynthesis on STM by thousands of times is already a huge breakthrough! It's now possible to create commercially viable atomically precise products, allowing a startup to grow further. Plus, it will inspire other developers. It's not necessary to immediately build a KSRM — that's too big of a technological leap. It's better to look for a more gradual path to commercialization, which will also make it easier to attract investors.

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philipturner commented Apr 27, 2025

I don't see how it will be commercially viable to create atomically precise products near-term though. For example, silicon dangling bond electronics would be destroyed by imperfect vacuum seals. In addition, although they might have hundreds or thousands of logic gates, they would not compete with digital electronics produced with EUV lithography. Increasing the gate count with parallelism would only increase the cost of the whole chip in proportion (assuming you can stitch separate silicon dies together).

Nanoimprint lithography is another idea for getting commercial viability. You create an atomically precise 3D stencil, which prints into a layer of resin that settles. It improves throughput because the mask is created once, but copied many times. The issue, is that atomic precision cannot be preserved through the stamping process. There's already much literature on nanoimprint lithography. This is an idea Lukas suggested in one of the Foresight videos for the 2024 workshop.

I'll lay out my ideas for a path, deliverables, profitability. But, as with Jacob Rintamaki's post a while back (which ultimately triggered the document "CostEstimates.md"), I'm not confident there will be near-term profit mechanisms. Definitely not qubits or quantum sensors, at the very least. Also, the idea of "cloud computing" where you rent out machines for others to build atoms, seems unlikely unless users spend most of their time on the post-analysis step of manufacturing.

Step Throughput Error Rate per Atom Profit
LiNbO3 actuators 0 atoms/day/SPM n/a Navy ultrasound transducers, but with less range and worse performance
silicon DB nanoelectronics 1,000,000 DBs/day/SPM (?) 1–10% ???
amorphous carbon mechanosynthesis 50,000 atoms/day/SPM ??? publicity
silicon carbide mechanosynthesis 50,000 atoms/day/SPM ??? publicity
??? ??? ??? ???
replicative scaling mole scale ??? everything stated in Engines of Creation

Plus, it will inspire other developers.

Publishing open-source research papers is probably the most "profitable" thing that can be done in early stages. If funders want their name on the research paper for recognition.

I think of it as a high risk, high reward investment. We prove all the basic technological capabilities, prove you can build crystals. Use those scientific results to inform computer simulations. If you can build a silicon carbide crystal, you can use those results to design a nanomanipulator. An entire replicator design in a simulation. Then calculate the number of atoms it requires, and how many parallel SPMs or vacuum chambers are needed. Then, you ask for the big bucks (billion dollars scale) for the one-time upfront cost to build a large semiconductor fab and build a replicator.

If you can't simulate it (amorphous carbon), then perhaps an intermediate stage requiring something in the middle between O($1 million) and O($1 billion). To get a few 10's or 100's of parallel SPMs, with only enough throughput to build one 1-DoF nanomanipulator/actuator IRL. We would probably do that even if the material could be simulated, because it's a gradual rollout with less immediate risk before the whole plan is proven.

Look at how EUV lithography was developed. People invested large sums of money researching it, knowing it wouldn't reach profitability until ASML finally mastered it decades later in ~2018. There needs to be a better understanding that it's theoretically possible, that issues like throughput have been resolved at the highest level. Right now, we're plagued by the obvious problem that SPMs might be too slow. Only experimental confirmation of high throughput and high yield will change the obvious basic systematic issues. Then it will look more plausible that a nanomanipulator or replicator can be built, and people will invest in more detailed blueprints.

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Perhaps, reformulating my ideas in another comment is constructive. With a slightly more conservative estimate of SPM throughput, as well.

Stage Throughput Investment Return on Investment
LiNbO3 in air 0 atoms/day O($10,000) experimental proof of solving piezo creep
mechanosynthesis (1 UHV-SPM system) 10,000 atoms/day O($1,000,000) experimental proof of atom building
mechanosynthesis (10 UHV-SPM systems) 100,000 atoms/day O($10,000,000) experimental proof of convergent assembly, proof that a 1-DoF nanomanipulator can be built and works
mechanosynthesis (100 UHV-SPM systems) 1,000,000 atoms/day O($100,000,000) experimental proof of 3-DoF nanomanipulation, feedstock and signal transport to the nanoscale device

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philipturner commented Apr 27, 2025

This comment was made in response to a now-deleted comment, where someone asked about whether NV diamonds could be made, and whether it was a profit motive.

See this video about NV diamonds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRfTe9gBOQA (Asianometry)

I've seen one startup get lost trying to use quantum sensors as a near-term profit motive. They aren't likely to compete with the proven technologies Google and others already use in their quantum computers. In addition, the silicon dangling bond path is already creating qubits. Kane's quantum computer, theorized in ~1998 (maybe 1988?), used phosphorus-doped silicon with a precision of nanometers (but not atomic precision) to make a qubit. People have actually made this IRL, and got a working qubit. But just a single qubit. Not profitable. Just a laboratory curiosity.

About quantum sensors, SQUID magnetometers are used to sense magnetic fields when you're already at cryogenic temperatures. But no use besides in existing super-expensive cryogenic physics systems. And there's already many alternative proven technologies that already provide sufficient performance. Regarding the NV diamond, it's a pair of carbon-13 and nitrogen that might have NMR applications. Unsure the heck is going on, that was the pitch of the startup I mentioned before. I've actually done an NMR analysis recently, by the way. They are super expensive machines requiring liquid helium to get large enough magnetic fields for a signal. Instead of the NV center, you could just use your regular organic molecule you synthesized to get data for NMR. Or proven trace elements or signal enhancers like gadolinium MOFs used for MRI imaging.

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philipturner commented Apr 28, 2025

Also - why do you want to have separate UHV-SPM systems instead of scaling cells inside grids, and scale with this?
Or is it not plausible?

It is not possible near-term. As I've said before, that is exactly the same idea as MEMS. We cannot miniaturize scanning probes further than they already are. Due to the need for coarse actuators and independent multi-DOF scanners per probe. The piezoelectric effect inherently demands macroscopically sized mechanical parts. "CostEstimates.md" does have multiple SPMs per chamber, in fact 4–6 per chamber. Beyond that, there will likely be issues with density of electrical interconnects (10–20 per scanning probe) and crowding of the physically distinct PCBs for each scanning probe outside the chamber.

You cannot defeat the bottleneck of communication / electrical interconnect density by adopting a "SIMD" architecture. In such an architecture, you have a 32x32 array of atom builders. 32 signals come in from the left, 32 signals come in from the top. Together, only 64 wires broadcast the same instruction to all 1024 scanning probes. The issue, is if 1 scanning probe fails, all of them fail. Or rather, that 1 failed scanning probe needs its own unique feedback loop to detect and adapt for its error. So you now need 1023 scanning probes having one sequence of instructions and 1 scanning probe having its own sequence. Which SPM is that failed SPM, you don't know beforehand. Another manufacturing error happens, now it's 1022 + 1 + 1. Repeat this over and over again, you realize each SPM requires a unique feedback loop, and the hardware for a feedback loop is too complex to stuff on a single silicon die. A feedback loop with high-resolution A/D and D/A conversion requires an entire macroscale PCB.

I don't know what this implies for whether nanofactories are possible far-term. I only see what can really happen in the real world, what is proven, and what helps me inch closer to the goal of building carbon atoms IRL.

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